tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32640004.post7456835258532748867..comments2023-10-30T08:47:31.863-05:00Comments on The Rambling Prophet: The Preacher's PledgeTonyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13090951749017263188noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32640004.post-36875204591843606082007-12-11T22:16:00.000-05:002007-12-11T22:16:00.000-05:00This entire subject leads to really the heart of t...This entire subject leads to really the heart of the issue that every single denomination and non-denomination organization deals with. The selection of those called to lead. One organization I was part of (before I left egypt) simply did and interview and had you take a 150 question test.<BR/><BR/>The Bibles way of selecting leaders is very different than the American way.<BR/><BR/>Check out teh Chinese and Sudanise way of selecting leaders...we wouldnt have near the problems if we took their approach.fightingpreacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09596062768302196930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32640004.post-49483223627086990652007-12-11T19:56:00.000-05:002007-12-11T19:56:00.000-05:00FP,Absolutely! The concern of this post is the ten...FP,<BR/><BR/>Absolutely! The concern of this post is the tendency of some to preach an entire sermon that another preacher prepared and then present it as his very own material. As Cyle noted above, if we have soundly exegeted the source text, then the apple won't fall too far from the tree.<BR/><BR/>I like what Cyle said, <I>If I am preaching Biblically, preaching from the text of Scripture, and what I am preaching has never been said before, there is a good chance that I have erred.</I><BR/><BR/>I linked in the original posts to two previous posts I had written. One post was simply a link to a post written by another individual when she realized that her pastor was preaching verbatim messages found on the Internet. Now that ain't alright!Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13090951749017263188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32640004.post-43986732789429208452007-12-11T19:34:00.000-05:002007-12-11T19:34:00.000-05:00Tony I was rereading this and thinking about it. ...Tony I was rereading this and thinking about it. The Bible says there is nothing new under the sun. I would assume that to mean knowledge as well. I dont always quote people in my sermons, but I also dont preach others materials verbatim...for example I quote from movies alot but dont use the title of the movie everytime (mostly cause they know the movie)...so in your estimation is that alright?fightingpreacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09596062768302196930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32640004.post-30380324374689771422007-12-10T16:29:00.000-05:002007-12-10T16:29:00.000-05:00I feel your pain, FP. Heh. :)This blog I have dedi...I feel your pain, FP. Heh. :)<BR/><BR/>This blog I have dedicated to theology and ministry concerns, though I do post sermon snippets and family stuff sometimes as well. Its a pretty mixed bag over here. Plus, I don't post as regularly here as i do at the other blog; once a week maybe as opposed to about every day at the other one.<BR/><BR/>I dedicated the other blog, where you found me, to faith and its intersection with the broader culture. This blog I keep primarily "in" the church wherein the other one I "get out".Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13090951749017263188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32640004.post-76871346976214327012007-12-10T14:10:00.000-05:002007-12-10T14:10:00.000-05:00Tony 100% agree with you as much as it pains me to...Tony 100% agree with you as much as it pains me to say so :)<BR/><BR/>The title was Theology and something...where are your theological topics.fightingpreacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09596062768302196930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32640004.post-19701624959475097342007-11-07T15:12:00.000-05:002007-11-07T15:12:00.000-05:00Cyle,Thanks for dropping in and commenting. I agre...Cyle,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for dropping in and commenting. I agree with your commentary on the post. The issues are clear, that if the preacher is using the sermon verbatim without giving credit then there is an integrity issue. <BR/><BR/>I have heard several preachers use illustrations over and over yet never give credit from where they originate, or use stories big-name preachers have told and then tell them as if they happened to themselves. That is wrong, too.<BR/><BR/>And I agree as well that if I have studied a passage, I am not going to be off base but by a millimeter or two and I should line up with what other good expositors have said about the passage. <BR/><BR/>I know about those busy weeks, but God has always given me a special grace to get the weekly exposition done, even at the expense of lack of sleep.<BR/><BR/>And don't worry about verbosity. What's a few extra words between preachers? I don't know about you, but the only time I really get to "go long" is on the blogs. :)<BR/><BR/>Blessings, bro. Again, thanks for dropping in.Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13090951749017263188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32640004.post-1927896734443903102007-11-07T12:11:00.000-05:002007-11-07T12:11:00.000-05:00Using what others have said cannot be the focus of...Using what others have said cannot be the focus of the issue of integrity for a pastor. There is nothing new under the sun. If I am preaching Biblically, preaching from the text of Scripture, and what I am preaching has never been said before, there is a good chance that I have erred. Every preacher is influenced by others, and by himself. The issues to me are these: (1) when using other sources, is the pastor giving credit or taking credit, and (2) is the preacher asking others to digest the Scripture for him, or is he using others as he digests Scripture? I have a pastor friend who used a sermon he got from the internet. He didn't preach it verbatim, but he also didn't give credit and he was very close. He was justified, in that his week was horrendous and he didn't have time to study as he should. He was unjustified in that he didn't tell the congregation what he did. He could have stood up and said, "I have been so busy this week that I have not had time to prepare as I should. I apologize, so let's just open the word and talk about it for awhile." We should start with the Scripture, use sources, and then end with the Scripture. I read commentaries and the sermons of others every week. If I am reading expositional sermons, and both I and the other preacher are exegeting Scripture correctly, our outlines will be similar. However, they will seldom be identical, because the preacher is different. Ok, now I'm getting verbose. Sorry :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32640004.post-41171645472575000362007-11-07T10:44:00.000-05:002007-11-07T10:44:00.000-05:00I couldn't agree more, Cameron. I still find this ...I couldn't agree more, Cameron. I still find this mind-boggling; as Steve said, baffling.Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13090951749017263188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32640004.post-5131095337122859332007-11-07T10:27:00.000-05:002007-11-07T10:27:00.000-05:00Can we believe a pastor who steals will be honest?...Can we believe a pastor who steals will be honest? If he will plagiarize, will he not also break his pledge?Nephoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06293900899142207084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32640004.post-66176677282190856292007-11-06T10:02:00.000-05:002007-11-06T10:02:00.000-05:00I don't even know where to begin to comment on thi...I don't even know where to begin to comment on this. I'm as baffled as you are, and very disheartened to see this type of state in evangelicalism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com